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God’s promise of salvation for ourselves AND our children

July 18, 2012 | Posted by GodCenteredMom on Wisdom from Murray / Tagged: Abraham, Andrew Murrary, covenant, How to Raise your children for Christ, salvation | 4 comments

Wisdom from Murray {“How to Raise Your Children for Christ”}  series recap: The Family as God Created It–Earthly fathers reflect our heavenly Father (Adam & Eve) The Family as Sin Made It-How to remove seeds of ...

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  1. reply → Angie Massey July 18, 2012 at 08:17

    Actually, I have just read the chapter you are referring to in Andrew Murray’s book and as much as I would like to believe that I can secure salvation for my children through my faith, it doesn’t seem to line up with the whole of scripture. Of course, there is nothing I want more in the world than to be assured that my children will spend eternity in heaven, but I have a hard time forcing faith in a old testament promise that was given to Abraham. Also, if I fail to have “enough faith” in the promise, does that mean that my children will not experience God’s free grace because of me? I have also been reading Spurgeon’s book entitled Spiritual Parenting and it speaks to this issue and gives insight against Murray’s view of “children of the promise”…

    Even under the old covenant there were hints that the true seed was not born after the flesh, but after the spirit, as in the case of Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. – John 3:6….Not a word in the New Testament shows that the benefits of divine grace are in any way transmitted by natural decent.” C.H. Spurgeon, Spiritual Parenting

    In the end, I will just keep praying diligently for the Lord to save them, putting the gospel ever before them and seeking by God’s grace to “train them up in the way they should go” and “raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord”.

    Thank you for your post, It is so good to hear from others as we all seek the Lord’s grace for our children!

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 18, 2012 at 13:11

      Thank you soooo much Angie for commenting. After reading that chapter I wished more than ever I could sit down with a friend and discuss the theology of what Murray was suggesting. I also agree it doesn’t appear to agree with the whole of Scripture. He implies if you are a believing parent you will have believing children. How does that explain friends growing up who had believing parents but they were atheists? Thank you for the quote from Spurgeon. Will definitely add “Spiritual Parenting” to my reading list. ;) I agree with you. In the end, I will continue to pray diligently for the Lord to save them, keep putting the gospel before them and seeking God’s grace to train them in the way He wishes them to go.

  2. reply → Deb Anderson Weaver July 18, 2012 at 15:38

    I believe Scripture teaches the response to salvation is individual. We pray for them, we look for opportunities to plant/water seeds, and we trust in God. He wants people to turn to Him. He moves in their lives till their dying breath. He can be trusted to work in our children’s lives as we pray for them to respond.

    Deb Weaver
    thewordweaver.com

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 20, 2012 at 16:38

      Yes Deb, I completely agree. I had actually never heard of the “children of promise” idea until I read this chapter. Thank you so much for your insight. Truly appreciate it!

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How children help us believe God

July 11, 2012 | Posted by GodCenteredMom on Wisdom from Murray / Tagged: Abraham, Andrew Murray, children, faith, Infertility | 1 comment

I have to admit when I sat down to write this summary of Andrew Murray’s chapter my “blogger” self didn’t feel it presented any new and interesting information. Would you even care to read another post about faith? But then I remembered I am writing for an audience of One. He would love for me to write about believing Him better. “And behold, the word of ...

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  1. reply → Angie Massey July 18, 2012 at 08:17

    Actually, I have just read the chapter you are referring to in Andrew Murray’s book and as much as I would like to believe that I can secure salvation for my children through my faith, it doesn’t seem to line up with the whole of scripture. Of course, there is nothing I want more in the world than to be assured that my children will spend eternity in heaven, but I have a hard time forcing faith in a old testament promise that was given to Abraham. Also, if I fail to have “enough faith” in the promise, does that mean that my children will not experience God’s free grace because of me? I have also been reading Spurgeon’s book entitled Spiritual Parenting and it speaks to this issue and gives insight against Murray’s view of “children of the promise”…

    Even under the old covenant there were hints that the true seed was not born after the flesh, but after the spirit, as in the case of Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. – John 3:6….Not a word in the New Testament shows that the benefits of divine grace are in any way transmitted by natural decent.” C.H. Spurgeon, Spiritual Parenting

    In the end, I will just keep praying diligently for the Lord to save them, putting the gospel ever before them and seeking by God’s grace to “train them up in the way they should go” and “raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord”.

    Thank you for your post, It is so good to hear from others as we all seek the Lord’s grace for our children!

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 18, 2012 at 13:11

      Thank you soooo much Angie for commenting. After reading that chapter I wished more than ever I could sit down with a friend and discuss the theology of what Murray was suggesting. I also agree it doesn’t appear to agree with the whole of Scripture. He implies if you are a believing parent you will have believing children. How does that explain friends growing up who had believing parents but they were atheists? Thank you for the quote from Spurgeon. Will definitely add “Spiritual Parenting” to my reading list. ;) I agree with you. In the end, I will continue to pray diligently for the Lord to save them, keep putting the gospel before them and seeking God’s grace to train them in the way He wishes them to go.

  2. reply → Deb Anderson Weaver July 18, 2012 at 15:38

    I believe Scripture teaches the response to salvation is individual. We pray for them, we look for opportunities to plant/water seeds, and we trust in God. He wants people to turn to Him. He moves in their lives till their dying breath. He can be trusted to work in our children’s lives as we pray for them to respond.

    Deb Weaver
    thewordweaver.com

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 20, 2012 at 16:38

      Yes Deb, I completely agree. I had actually never heard of the “children of promise” idea until I read this chapter. Thank you so much for your insight. Truly appreciate it!

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What does Noah’s Ark have to do with your children’s salvation?

June 27, 2012 | Posted by GodCenteredMom on grace, Wisdom from Murray / Tagged: Andrew Murray, Ark, grace, Noah, salvation | 5 comments

To quickly review the past “Wisdom from Murray” posts… Because earthly fathers are made in the image of God, they reflect our heavenly Father. My home can be a glimpse of heaven here on earth, by spending more time with God and learning from Him. Not only am I made in the image of God, my  ...

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5 comments

  1. reply → Angie Massey July 18, 2012 at 08:17

    Actually, I have just read the chapter you are referring to in Andrew Murray’s book and as much as I would like to believe that I can secure salvation for my children through my faith, it doesn’t seem to line up with the whole of scripture. Of course, there is nothing I want more in the world than to be assured that my children will spend eternity in heaven, but I have a hard time forcing faith in a old testament promise that was given to Abraham. Also, if I fail to have “enough faith” in the promise, does that mean that my children will not experience God’s free grace because of me? I have also been reading Spurgeon’s book entitled Spiritual Parenting and it speaks to this issue and gives insight against Murray’s view of “children of the promise”…

    Even under the old covenant there were hints that the true seed was not born after the flesh, but after the spirit, as in the case of Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. – John 3:6….Not a word in the New Testament shows that the benefits of divine grace are in any way transmitted by natural decent.” C.H. Spurgeon, Spiritual Parenting

    In the end, I will just keep praying diligently for the Lord to save them, putting the gospel ever before them and seeking by God’s grace to “train them up in the way they should go” and “raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord”.

    Thank you for your post, It is so good to hear from others as we all seek the Lord’s grace for our children!

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 18, 2012 at 13:11

      Thank you soooo much Angie for commenting. After reading that chapter I wished more than ever I could sit down with a friend and discuss the theology of what Murray was suggesting. I also agree it doesn’t appear to agree with the whole of Scripture. He implies if you are a believing parent you will have believing children. How does that explain friends growing up who had believing parents but they were atheists? Thank you for the quote from Spurgeon. Will definitely add “Spiritual Parenting” to my reading list. ;) I agree with you. In the end, I will continue to pray diligently for the Lord to save them, keep putting the gospel before them and seeking God’s grace to train them in the way He wishes them to go.

  2. reply → Deb Anderson Weaver July 18, 2012 at 15:38

    I believe Scripture teaches the response to salvation is individual. We pray for them, we look for opportunities to plant/water seeds, and we trust in God. He wants people to turn to Him. He moves in their lives till their dying breath. He can be trusted to work in our children’s lives as we pray for them to respond.

    Deb Weaver
    thewordweaver.com

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 20, 2012 at 16:38

      Yes Deb, I completely agree. I had actually never heard of the “children of promise” idea until I read this chapter. Thank you so much for your insight. Truly appreciate it!

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How to Remove Seeds of Selfishness {Wisdom from Murray}

June 20, 2012 | Posted by GodCenteredMom on Wisdom from Murray / Tagged: Andrew Murray, How to Raise Children for Christ, love, Selfishness, sin | 7 comments

“When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God…When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.” Genesis 5:1,3 “Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him.” Genesis 4:8 Adam’s sin became Cain’s sin: God made man in His image. As the Creator of life, in His image, men have the ability to ...

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  1. reply → Angie Massey July 18, 2012 at 08:17

    Actually, I have just read the chapter you are referring to in Andrew Murray’s book and as much as I would like to believe that I can secure salvation for my children through my faith, it doesn’t seem to line up with the whole of scripture. Of course, there is nothing I want more in the world than to be assured that my children will spend eternity in heaven, but I have a hard time forcing faith in a old testament promise that was given to Abraham. Also, if I fail to have “enough faith” in the promise, does that mean that my children will not experience God’s free grace because of me? I have also been reading Spurgeon’s book entitled Spiritual Parenting and it speaks to this issue and gives insight against Murray’s view of “children of the promise”…

    Even under the old covenant there were hints that the true seed was not born after the flesh, but after the spirit, as in the case of Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. – John 3:6….Not a word in the New Testament shows that the benefits of divine grace are in any way transmitted by natural decent.” C.H. Spurgeon, Spiritual Parenting

    In the end, I will just keep praying diligently for the Lord to save them, putting the gospel ever before them and seeking by God’s grace to “train them up in the way they should go” and “raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord”.

    Thank you for your post, It is so good to hear from others as we all seek the Lord’s grace for our children!

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 18, 2012 at 13:11

      Thank you soooo much Angie for commenting. After reading that chapter I wished more than ever I could sit down with a friend and discuss the theology of what Murray was suggesting. I also agree it doesn’t appear to agree with the whole of Scripture. He implies if you are a believing parent you will have believing children. How does that explain friends growing up who had believing parents but they were atheists? Thank you for the quote from Spurgeon. Will definitely add “Spiritual Parenting” to my reading list. ;) I agree with you. In the end, I will continue to pray diligently for the Lord to save them, keep putting the gospel before them and seeking God’s grace to train them in the way He wishes them to go.

  2. reply → Deb Anderson Weaver July 18, 2012 at 15:38

    I believe Scripture teaches the response to salvation is individual. We pray for them, we look for opportunities to plant/water seeds, and we trust in God. He wants people to turn to Him. He moves in their lives till their dying breath. He can be trusted to work in our children’s lives as we pray for them to respond.

    Deb Weaver
    thewordweaver.com

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 20, 2012 at 16:38

      Yes Deb, I completely agree. I had actually never heard of the “children of promise” idea until I read this chapter. Thank you so much for your insight. Truly appreciate it!

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Earthly Fathers Created to Reflect Our Heavenly Father {Wisdom from Murray}

June 13, 2012 | Posted by GodCenteredMom on Book Review, Wisdom from Murray / Tagged: Andrew Murray, family, Fathers, Image bearers | 2 comments

In honor of Father’s Day, chapter one of “How to Raise Your Children For Christ”… Andrew Murray’s 52 short chapters are Scripturally-based, starting with Genesis.  Today’s chapter is entitled, “The Family as God Created it”, from Genesis 1:27-28a: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female ...

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  1. reply → Angie Massey July 18, 2012 at 08:17

    Actually, I have just read the chapter you are referring to in Andrew Murray’s book and as much as I would like to believe that I can secure salvation for my children through my faith, it doesn’t seem to line up with the whole of scripture. Of course, there is nothing I want more in the world than to be assured that my children will spend eternity in heaven, but I have a hard time forcing faith in a old testament promise that was given to Abraham. Also, if I fail to have “enough faith” in the promise, does that mean that my children will not experience God’s free grace because of me? I have also been reading Spurgeon’s book entitled Spiritual Parenting and it speaks to this issue and gives insight against Murray’s view of “children of the promise”…

    Even under the old covenant there were hints that the true seed was not born after the flesh, but after the spirit, as in the case of Ishmael and Isaac, Esau and Jacob. That which is born of the flesh is flesh and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. – John 3:6….Not a word in the New Testament shows that the benefits of divine grace are in any way transmitted by natural decent.” C.H. Spurgeon, Spiritual Parenting

    In the end, I will just keep praying diligently for the Lord to save them, putting the gospel ever before them and seeking by God’s grace to “train them up in the way they should go” and “raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord”.

    Thank you for your post, It is so good to hear from others as we all seek the Lord’s grace for our children!

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 18, 2012 at 13:11

      Thank you soooo much Angie for commenting. After reading that chapter I wished more than ever I could sit down with a friend and discuss the theology of what Murray was suggesting. I also agree it doesn’t appear to agree with the whole of Scripture. He implies if you are a believing parent you will have believing children. How does that explain friends growing up who had believing parents but they were atheists? Thank you for the quote from Spurgeon. Will definitely add “Spiritual Parenting” to my reading list. ;) I agree with you. In the end, I will continue to pray diligently for the Lord to save them, keep putting the gospel before them and seeking God’s grace to train them in the way He wishes them to go.

  2. reply → Deb Anderson Weaver July 18, 2012 at 15:38

    I believe Scripture teaches the response to salvation is individual. We pray for them, we look for opportunities to plant/water seeds, and we trust in God. He wants people to turn to Him. He moves in their lives till their dying breath. He can be trusted to work in our children’s lives as we pray for them to respond.

    Deb Weaver
    thewordweaver.com

    • reply → GodCenteredMom July 20, 2012 at 16:38

      Yes Deb, I completely agree. I had actually never heard of the “children of promise” idea until I read this chapter. Thank you so much for your insight. Truly appreciate it!

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